Sodom and Mark at Chesterstreet

I’ve been reading Mark at Chesterstreet for a couple of years now (I think it has been that long).  He is obsessed with the sin of homosexuality.  I don’t know why that is the case, but out of all the other sins out there (and there are millions and most of them belong to the heterosexuals), he focuses almost exclusively on gays and lesbians. 

Today is no exception (his last six entries were about that particular sin).  Today he writes about Sodom (there must be something in the anti-gay air because Stacy Harp writes about sodomites a couple of days ago too–maybe there was a big conference somewhere that I didn’t hear about???) and that story in Genesis about Lot and his daughters where every single man from Sodom that apparently wanted to rape the strangers in Lot’s house.  Mark writes:

Get your Bibles out and turn to Genesis 19.
The gay christian movement wants us to pay special attention to the words / phrase so that we may know them – verse 5. They want you to think (reinterpret the text’s utter clarity and context), that it means a good old fashion ancient middle east – Meet and Greet. This verse they say, has nothing to do with homosexuality or the men wanting to have relations with the visitors. Really?
So what does Lot do? and what does Lot say?
8"Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof."
Notice Lot says nothing about meeting and greeting, he specifically informs these men that his own daughters have not had any relations with man. Odd thing to say if this was a meet and greet, no?
What does God do to those folks who are inhospitable?
24 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven,

25 and He overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground.

Yep, it wasn’t the utter gross sexual immorality that brought God’s judgement of fire and destruction on Sodom – it was inhospitality. No wonder the gay christian movement folks hate God and seek to destroy His word – the Truth.
The TruthTheir real intentions are to utterly destroy the faith once delivered to the saints. It would be foolish of any person who believes the scripture to think that the religious veneer of this demonic movement wants to love or obey the Lord Jesus.

I’m always surprised that people like Mark like this story about Lot.  I am surprised because they never bother commenting about those poor daughters that Lot has.  They are always ignored and the focus is on those evil homosexuals outside the door who just can’t wait to rape those strangers (you know, those Sodomites are just like modern day homosexuals–they are always waiting in giant crowds to rape whoever is in the closest house where they might be gathered).

He says:

Notice Lot says nothing about meeting and greeting, he specifically informs these men that his own daughters have not had any relations with man. Odd thing to say if this was a meet and greet, no?

But he doesn’t even touch on what Lot is doing to his daughters.  This is very odd, no?

And I noticed that Mark didn’t talk about the women from the same story found in Judges 19:23ff (I’ve done the bolding):

19:23 And the man, the master of the house, went out to them and said to them, "No, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Since this man is my guest, do not do this vile thing.19:24 Here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do whatever you want to them; but against this man do not do such a vile thing."19:25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man seized his concubine, and put her out to them. They wantonly raped her, and abused her all through the night until the morning. And as the dawn began to break, they let her go.19:26 As morning appeared, the woman came and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her master was, until it was light.19:27 In the morning her master got up, opened the doors of the house, and when he went out to go on his way, there was his concubine lying at the door of the house, with her hands on the threshold.19:28 "Get up," he said to her, "we are going." But there was no answer. Then he put her on the donkey; and the man set out for his home.19:29 When he had entered his house, he took a knife, and grasping his concubine he cut her into twelve pieces, limb by limb, and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel.19:30 Then he commanded the men whom he sent, saying, "Thus shall you say to all the Israelites, ‘Has such a thing ever happened since the day that the Israelites came up from the land of Egypt until this day? Consider it, take counsel, and speak out.’"

Same story, just a different chapter than Genesis, except this time the man gives up his own virgin daughter and his concubine (so the good man has a concubine plus a wife–now that is something you won’t hear mentioned by these ‘family values crowd when they use this passage!).  Those men did not want the women, but the man shoved out his concubine.  And what happens next?  Those men who were supposed to be homosexuals raped that poor women to death.  Now I don’t know about you, but I don’t know any gay men who would rape a woman. I mean, gay means that you like men, right?  So that part of the story doesn’t make any sense.  But what is tragic about this story is the treatment of women by these men. Lot wants to give his virgin daughters to the men of Sodom.  Notice that the strangers have ‘shelter’ in Lot’s house, but clearly his virgin daughters do not.  The man in the Judges story is even worse.  The concubine is sacrificed.  And notice the callousness of that man when he comes out the next morning.  His concubine has been raped all night by those male homosexuals and she is at the door of his house.  Her hands are on the threshold, meaning that she probably had been pounding the door seeking help from her male (maybe his wife refused to have her husband help.  It is, after all, a great way to get rid of a spare concubine…).  But no help came and she died right there on his doorstep. He walks out and tells her to get up!  My God, can these people really think this story is about something good? "Get up" he says to a woman who has been raped and killed and is lying on the doorstep.  He probably had to push her out of the way to get out of the doorway.  And just for a minute, imagine what it must be like for his own virgin daughter–she knows her father was going to sacrifice her as well.  Imagine what it was like for her.

And to think that God allowed Lot to live…

So there you have it–two examples of family values that are put out there by the anti-gay crowd.  These stories are sickening in the extreme, and not just for the part about the men.  And do they expect gays and lesbians to focus only on the so-called homosexuals of the story, and ignore the fathers and the positions of the daughters and these concubines?  Forget that–if they want to call us demonic (as Mark does above when he copies the words from DL Foster) then they better be prepared to have some of their own stories slung back at them.  So here is the comment I left for Mark (below).  And I bet that Mark won’t deal with this because he can’t deal with the fact that his beloved God gave this story about fathers who would sacrifice their own daughters to men.  He can’t deal with the fact that here is a man who has a concubine (how is that for a family value?).  He can’t deal with the fact of what this story tells us about the position of women in this world.  Would he be virtuous like Lot and sacrifice his own daughter to a crowd of homosexuals?  No, but he certainly will use this part of this story to demonize gays and lesbians:

Now maybe you could comment on how a father would send out his two virgin daughters to be raped by a bunch of homosexuals. Or maybe you could comment on the position of this daughters in this family (and therefore the social standing of women), since these male strangers have "shelter" under Lot’s roof, but his daughters clearly do not. Maybe you could then tie that in with some good old-fashioned family values from the Old Testament. Now that would be something worth reading.

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6 Responses to Sodom and Mark at Chesterstreet

  1. Justin says:

    Mark is so hung up with  the homosexuals that it is almost untatural wouldnt you say.  He cannot accept the fact that these men were not homosexual they were a gang of thugs who kndw the most degrading thing one could do in those times for a man to penatrate another man.  It is historical in ancient warfare.
    What I find most interesting about Mark who claims the bible is infalible truth will not accept as truth as to what was said by Jesus (now mind you this is not the Jesus that Mark has made a G-d and worsips in the place of the one true G-d)and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom — and not one of them mentions homosexuality.  Listen to what Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God\’s eyes."
    Jesus said that the sin of Sodom paled in comparison to the sin of Jerusalem.  Does this mean that all the men of Jerusalem were running around raping the male strangers who came there? 
    Mark is a Biblodolator.  He worships his bible more than he does the true message it is conveying.  Now I know this is going to send him over the deep end but what else is new.  For Marks information G-d wants to reason with us. He doesn\’t expect us to take a blind leap of faith into unreality or non-reason. He gives us credit for being intelligent, reasoning creatures, and He desires to communicate certain truths to us in His written word to bad Mark can only see the evil side of the G-d he has created for himself.
    "Come now, and let us reason together," says the Lord. Though your sins are as scarlet, they will be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they will be like wool." (Isaiah 1:18) Oh sorry Mark I forgot you cant believe this guy because he doesnt back you up on the Sodom thing.

  2. Kevin says:

    Hey Justin,
    My biggest question about Mark is why exactly is he so obsessed with homosexuality?  As you said, it just doen\’t seem natural…

  3. Robert says:

    Going  to Mark for Biblical insight  is like going to Bush about how to achieve peace.
    Justin brings up a good point, Mark does not need to tell us what the sins of Sodom are, since the Bible already tells us, and it is very different than what Mark claimed it to be, than again this is the same guy who pushes the false doctrine of "God is NOT Love", which clearly contradicts I John 4:8.
    I\’m convinced  that Mark does not write half the stuff on his blog, he copies it from another source. Mark\’s obsession with homosexuality seems to be a internal problem with himself.

  4. Kevin says:

    Hey Rob,
    I don\’t know if Mark writes his stuff or not, but he is obsessed.  I would love to know why…

  5. Rob says:

    One of the issues I\’ve had with Lot\’s story is how he has sex with his daughters once they flee the city.  Sure the bible blames it on the girls getting Lot drunk – but ask any loving father how drunk he\’d have to get to sleep with his daughters – you can\’t get that drunk (unless you\’re already lusting for them).

  6. Kevin says:

    Yep.  So much for good old fashioned family values…

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